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> From: "mauricefy" a href="mailto:mauricefy@y...">mauricefy@y... > Reply-To: deathinjune@yahoogroups.com > To: deathinjune@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [deathinjune] RIP The Clarendon > Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 12:19:55 -0000 > > Douglas - if you are still out there..... > > Having passed through Hammersmith this morning and the hideous > Broadway Centre (home of the UK HQ of Coca Cola), I paused for a > moment to remember the wonderful, ancient creeky Clarendon pub which > used to stand on that site and wondered if you too had good memories > of this venue. > > For those of you who have no idea what I am talking about, this is > the venue at which the live side of Burial was recorded (in its > basement venue, and which also hosted the DIJ/In the Nursery/Joy of > Life concert in the upstairs Victorian ballroom. > > For the record I thought the latter night was blighted by a terrible > sound system and mediocre support acts. Also, my strongest memory of > the evening comes from my trip home when a bloke called Asif (an > erstwhile Crisis fan who Douglas might remember, and who was always > trying to sell me cassette bootlegs of DIJ gigs) got attacked on the > bus home by a man with a huge alsatian. Poetic justice, perhaps? > > M >

Not only did I see a blinder performed there by Joy Division and A Certain Ratio ,The Clarendon Hotel was fundamental in the early development of Death In June. The upstairs performance, which turned out to be our last there,was marred by all kinds of technical problems and it was also Richard Butler's last live appearance with the group. If he couldn't control the drum machine ,which I seem to remember kept triggering itself resulting in some wise wag in the audience shouting for "Blue Monday!", there was little point in Richard being there. It was also the performance where the group Somewhere In Europe gave me a gift-wrapped set of books by Jean Genet which helped obviously lead to somewhere else for me a little later on. Previously to that Death In June performed 2-3 times downstairs at the Clarendon and one of those occassions still stands as one of the most important/best live sets we ever did. Iron In Flesh supported us, we had a great light/ slide show, the atmosphere was possessed and we performed well. After we departed the stage the packed audience just stood there in apparent stunned silence. Patrick and I giggled as we stood to the side of the stage looking at the strange sight of the stactic audience being illuminated by the strobe lights that were now pointing directly at them. They didn't even clap after they realised it was actually over. They sort of gradually faded away in silence. Odd! Later a director of Rough Trade, who had been across the road at the Hammersmith Odeon seeing Depeche Mode and who had come over to see how we were doing, took me aside and said something along the lines of: " Do you know what you're dealing with? Do you know how powerful this all is?" And, of course I did! Stewart Home also told us after that the person he went to the performance with kept repeating that they had just seen the end of the World. All the way home! Evidently, they later ended up in a psychiatric hospital. If only all performances were like that! Heilige,... Douglas P.



> From: "Daniel W" a href="mailto:feindflug_uk@y...">feindflug_uk@y... > Reply-To: deathinjune@yahoogroups.com > To: deathinjune@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [deathinjune] Re: 1% repro > Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 18:09:28 -0000 > > Albins helmet cover is in "Palmenmuster" (Palm tree) pattern > camoflage. This was only normally used on smocks, and i have seen no > other examples of Palm covers. In theory an old one could have been > field made into a cover. Very nice camo isn`t it, i would love a > smock in this pattern, as very few reenactors in the UK have them. > > Dan. > > > --- In deathinjune@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Clark" >< nietzsche_baby@h...> wrote: > > Hello Douglas > > > > I may be way off mark here and expect to be corrected, but I'll > take a > > couple of guesses as to what is the 1% that isn't original. > > > > First guess is the smock that you are wearing on the cover and > also in one > > or two other photos (not the one with the Tiger). It looks to me > like the > > camo is Oak 'B'. So far as I'm aware the 2nd pattern smock was > issued in > > regular Oak camo, not Oak 'B'. Or if they were then to find one in > such good > > condition would be a lucky find indeed. The colours look too > strong for a > > garment that is potentially 60 years old. > > > > Second guess would be the dot suit that you are wearing with the > stahlhelm > > and sniper veil. The detail of the camo pattern looks much smaller > than > > other examples I have seen. > > > > A couple of questions for you too, if I may. Now that June is > almost upon > > us, are we likely to see a 2003/04 calendar? And what is the > camouflage > > pattern on the helmet that Albin is wearing on the May photo? > > > > Regards > > > > Steve


'Mops' off to Daniel and Steve as they are both correct. The smock was purchased in a Viennese 'antique' shop where it was being sold as an original. However, the price and the fraying around the cuffs (always look out for this) were a giveaway. Nevertheless, it is a very nice repro piece and excellent for photo shoots and keeping dry whilst doing the gardening. It is better water-proofed than my originals but as they really are 60 + years old you have to be forgiving. The helmet cover, along with a similar palm tree camo smock, were found in a shop in Denver during my first visit there in 1990. Any originals I've ever seen of this type have been either too small or in very bad condition. Whilst not standard issue the palm tree helmet covers were produced in sufficient quantities in the field to be in circulation. At the start of the war in 1939 it is estimated that only a third of front line troops had camouflaged items of clothing so many smocks/zeltbahns were sacrificed to make helmet covers. Afterall your head is normally the first thing you pop up over a trench, around a wall etc,... The original helmet cover I believe to be a plane tree/oak leaf pattern 4 circa 1944. If you wish to contact me off list Daniel and Steve I could arrange a reward of some sort for your knowledge. A plate, perhaps? Heilige! Douglas P.



The Mishima film I accept in its place. Like the film 'Phildelphia' I have reservations about it but it got something hard and interesting into the usually flaccid and charmless/harmless Hollywood. Paul Schrader was evidently going through his 'homosexual period', whatever that may be - certainly I'd fuck him any day, and also on the verge of a mental breakdown so one should also perhaps take that into consideration? Certainly, I didn't take the Mishima protrayed on the screen as the one I was intoxicated by. But, that is probably just as well. Anything too close would have probably been impossible and possibly even verging on the insulting. I don't know? All I do know about that period in my Life is that I am 2 years older than Yukio Mishima ever was and that I do hope to actually experience the decay of the Angel. For a very, very long Time To Come.In the Best Circumstances, as well. Whilst on the subject of films I've recently viewed 2 that I think are the best I've seen in years; 'Donnie Darko' and Roman P.'s 'The Pianist'. Substance at last! Heilige,... Douglas P.



Ebola Disco Ben, you know what I'm holding-it's what Sinija of TeHom referred to as 'Little Black Angels'. Do I need to spell it out? I hope not! Certainly not on the internet. A Gift demands a Gift and I was given one. Or, 2 or 3,..... Darryl Williams became very interested in my MP40 so it was sent packing. British 'de-activated' evidently means "can be reactivated in times of National Emergency." If only he'd have heard the Aussie version of The Enemy Within. Bugger! Oscar the Crow, famous from 'The Wall Of Sacrifice" photo sessions, also nearly had to fly the roost but, thankfully survived internal examination and was returned. If you don't know about the imminent Aussie incursions feel free to contact me off-list. Heilige! Douglas P.



Dear List, I found this some weeks ago at the end of a ream of emails (at least 18 x A4 pages) sent to wsd from a Thomas Olson that were submitted by wsd as part of their List of Documents that would have been used against me in the High Court of England during the court case against wsd set for the 18th November, 2002 :

"From David Tibet...sent Tuesday, May 15, 2001 9:35 AM To: Olsen, Thomas

dear Tom, as you seem to be on the lists re: the new DIJ album, could you do Serpent a favour and email them any & all comments re: the Piggies album, whatever the discussion group/mailing list the comments are on? Thanks a lot; and please don't tell anyone you are doing this for them! Much love, and the 2 CDs and 12" and SBStars book are on their way... david xxx"

I'm sure many of you remember that this was during a time that I was receiving a lot of flak on the internet, normally courtesy of Mr. Olson, for the release of the "All Pigs Must Die" album and was disappointed in the extreme to find this amongst the plethora of character assasination that was wsd's 'case'(i.e. "he's Nasty so why should we pay him and give back his property, blah, blah, blah,...?")but was nonetheless willing to tread water on it. There is nothing in particular to gain from me destroying peoples' dreams about groups, individuals etc. Afterall,I know how hollow that feeling can be after you really find out the truth about someone/thing you thought you knew and loved. However, I've become bored with the sniping I receive from individuals on this list who have nothing good to say about me but appear to think the sun shines out of David Michael Bunting's arse. Take that crap elsewhere. Somewhere more fitting. The c93 list for instance? In short, BUGGER OFF! The above email between Tibet and Olson makes a mockery of the bullshit Tibet had to say to me when he phoned me from Malaya September, 2002 and also the fax he sent me in early 2000 stating that he wished to keep out of the matter with wsd. Yeah, sure! Unless I initiate the discussion I don't want to hear anything else about him or his group/projects ever mentioned on this list again. He chose the ship he wished to sail with now let him travel with it. Patrick , I think you had some valid points to make about this situation and tended to agree with you but equally you do not see what I receive off-list and enough was enough. I do not include you in those who have sniped at me for too many years on this discussion group and like 99% of the rest of membership of this list I have always appreciated your contributions. Apologies for any disillusionment from either my side or Tibets. But, I know I can NEVER listen to him again without thinking,........ Douglas P.

As an addition to the previous statement I posted I must admit that I found it peculiar that wsd didn't bother to delete that particular message from Tibet before they submitted all of that junk to The High Court. Or, was it deliberately left in? I've been told I shouldn't be surprised at what nincompoops wsd really are but with 'friends' like that Tibet should watch what he says to them in the future. Sadly, it's probably already too late for that? Have a nice trip,baby? Douglas P.



> From: "Mike Sulphur" a href="mailto:sulphur@i...">sulphur@i... > Reply-To: deathinjune@yahoogroups.com > To: a href="mailto:deathinjune@yahoogroups.com">deathinjune@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [deathinjune] obscure memorabilia? > Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 10:13:47 +0930 > > Anyone after Doug's golden guitar string from the Adelaide show? It's > always surprised me how much 'presence' DIJ has though its only a guitar > (even sans a string!), percussion and his voice. > > Some people asked for a review, basically the details: > Death in June, NON (Boyd Rice), Isomer > 23rd of April 2003 - The Enigma Bar, Adelaide Australia > > It was a superb show for sure, Isomer is a local artist who is now on > Tesco. Strong dark ambient / noise with some very haunting textures. NON > slaughtered with a superb rendition of TOTAL WAR, and a Boyd Rice song > was played as well from 'Music...', though at the moment the title > escapes me. Its that one with 'Hitler, Mussolini...'. Douglas also came > in to aid with some electric guitar riffs to the noise sections of NON. > As for DIJ, it started with the percussive classics like 'Bring in the > Night' and onto a strange section with Douglas chanting.. 'where is Bin > Laden now???'. All my fave's were played even 'Luthers Army' i believe > (still trying to compile the full list), though about 20 minutes of the > show had the squealing pigs echoing constantly... quite distracting and > I'm not sure if it was deliberate? > > Regards & Heilige!, > Mike

A brief word of Thanks and "Heilige!" to all of those who helped make Boyd Rice/NON and Death In June's recent actions in Australia and New Zealand so interesting and worthwhile. Thanks also to those who sent me Birthday Greetings. The day was well spent at the beautiful New Centurian Studios in Wellington where some more tracks were recorded for the forthcoming Death In June/Boyd Rice album "Alarm Agent" which is still on schedule for an October release. I especially recommend any material by the 2 groups that supported us on every level in Australia - Beastianity and Isomer. Both have CDs out and are very worthwhile. I'm not back to answer any questions but the Arktos book can't be recommended enough and as far as I know the reissues of "The Wall Of Sacrifice" and "KAPO!" are imminent. Heilige! Douglas P.